Michigan Oppos, sign this petition calling for an Alternative to salt on our Roads.

"Druid0" (druid0) 07/09/2014 at 14:41 • Filed to: None

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K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 14:43

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I'm bookmarking this to see where this goes. I'd love to drive in SE Mich without the fear of salt corrosion of the body panels, even on new cars. I don't have much time to read it through, but what might the alternative be?

Mattbob > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 14:47

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Fucking signed. I've gotten too much rust in my eyes from working on my cars. This is a must.

ncasolowork2 > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 14:53

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No thanks. While there are definite drawbacks to salt sand isn't very effective and salt is preferential to ice. Come up with a better viable alternative and I'll sign my name on the dotted line.

ncasolowork2 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/09/2014 at 14:53

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the proposed alternative is sand

Mike > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 14:55

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Signed. Now if we could just repair the roads to a usable condition, especially out in rural nowhere....

spanfucker retire bitch > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 14:55

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I'm sorry, but sand is fucking worthless.

I really hope to see a much better alternative to salt, for the sake of the roads, environment and my car. But sand isn't it. They used some sand trucks here in Western New York several years ago. I remember seeing them.

To my knowledge, they've stopped using them entirely due to their ineffectiveness. There were some mid-western states that have supplemented their salt with everything from cheese brine to sugarcane molasses. But that didn't prevent them from using salt, they used less of it. Which is good in an of itself, but still not a total replacement for road salt.

yamahog > ncasolowork2 07/09/2014 at 14:56

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I believe Wisconsin uses cheese byproducts and Russia/Eastern Europe uses beet juice.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ncasolowork2 07/09/2014 at 14:57

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cazzyodo > ncasolowork2 07/09/2014 at 14:57

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Cuz, you know, sand melts like no other and absolutely does NOT get anywhere or build up.

I like the idea but without a real plan it's not going anywhere no matter how much I/we would want it to.

ncasolowork2 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/09/2014 at 14:58

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Sadly i'm not due to how ineffective sand is.

spanfucker retire bitch > yamahog 07/09/2014 at 14:59

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Yes, but those are used in combination with salt. They have the benefit of being able to use less salt for the same level of effectiveness, but it doesn't actually stop salt usage altogether.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ncasolowork2 07/09/2014 at 14:59

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I mean anything other than salt, but what would you suggest?

BATC42 > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 15:00

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In some places in France, like in Auvergne (you know the region around Clermond-Ferrand, home of Michelin :) ) we use a volcanic rock (or ash) called pozzolan.

It's non-polluant and it's better than salt to de-ice, and it doesn't rust your car. My father works in the area, and he says you can drive the same way you would drive on a dry road. But it is a more expensive than salt, and when the snow/ice clears it leaves tiny marbles on the road, causing it to be slippery.

Jagvar > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/09/2014 at 15:01

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Pepper.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 15:04

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SIGNED.

MIATAAAA > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 15:04

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I wish they could replace the salt.

But every time the sand trucks come out, the roads are just covered in sandy ice.

Whatever you do - don't let them spray the liquid sodium chloride down. That stuff gets in every nook and cranny of your car. I'm talking about YOU NJ/PA. That's right.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/09/2014 at 15:05

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Jet Turbine's with after burners mounted to tanks. Like the Russians.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > spanfucker retire bitch 07/09/2014 at 15:06

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I would prefer less salt over the current amount of salt used.

Takuro Spirit > ncasolowork2 07/09/2014 at 15:07

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'swhat they used up nort here in WI. Made the snow nice and grippy, too.

zeontestpilot > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 15:13

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Signed, plus a left a little note.

spanfucker retire bitch > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 07/09/2014 at 15:22

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Yeah, no. I'm not saying that's not good. Less salt used while still keeping the same level of effectiveness is great all around.

I'm just stating there is still no good replacement for road salt. Nothing by itself is as nearly as effective at melting ice. Using supplements like cheese brine or sugarcane molasses just helps make road salt more effective, thus we can use less of it.

thebigbossyboss > Takuro Spirit 07/09/2014 at 15:25

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That is what they use in Manitoba and Yukon too!

Takuro Spirit > yamahog 07/09/2014 at 15:33

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Actually we use the ground up remains of Illinois drivers that speed through our interstates like they're at home.

450X_FTW > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 15:47

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I use sand all the time for my driveway and sidewalk. Doesn't dissolve the snow, then refreeze into ice. Cheaper, more effective than salt. Go anywhere up north and they use a lot more sand because of how much cheaper it is. Only downside I've heard about sand is that Detroit's 100+ year old sewer system can't handle all the sediment.

TotallyThatStupid > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 17:20

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Let us know how it goes. Minnesota could do this, too.

Druid0 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/09/2014 at 18:29

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Spread the word to any of your Michigander friends! We need to get this going for all car-lovers!

Druid0 > Mattbob 07/09/2014 at 18:29

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Spread the word to any of your Michigander friends! We need to get this going for all our jalops!

Druid0 > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 07/09/2014 at 18:30

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Spread the word to any of your Michigander friends! We need to get this going for all the Michigan Jalops!

Mattbob > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 18:32

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but it won't do anything. There is no business case in the proposal. It just says to stop using it without providing a reason or a viable, let alone better, alternative. It's a great idea, but Michigan isn't about to switch. They have an abundance of cheap effective salt. On top of that, by destroying cars they are sort of helping the auto companies.

Druid0 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 07/09/2014 at 18:35

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Anyone know or heard about this? http://www.ecotraction.com

ranwhenparked > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 18:46

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Another idea would be to just not scrape the snow all the way down to the asphalt. Back in the '70s, plows used to leave a thin layer of snow on the roads for some traction and to prevent them from turning into skating rinks, but these days, drivers expect to see blacktop so the road crews comply, which then increases the amount of salt needed to keep them from freezing over.

sdwarf36 > Druid0 07/09/2014 at 21:26

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Be careful what you wish for. Here in Ct. , they started putting down a liquid solution a few years back-they could put it on the road before the snow started. The corrosion effect is 3 times worse! Reports on the local news visiting garages talking about all the rusted out parts on cars and trucks that were way worse + more often than usual.

Salt sucks-but this stuff is worse.

Druid0 > ranwhenparked 07/10/2014 at 01:24

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Exactly! I don't know why they do that, since they never get all of it off, and the small amount that they leave behind is compacted by cars driving over it and compacting it into ice.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Mattbob 07/10/2014 at 09:48

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I was about to sign and came to the same conclusion.

their only recommended solution is sand. which doesn't de-ice anything. It just makes a mess and provides some traction on TOP of the ice.